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kcsteve

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Found this tiny (12mm) button about 10ft. away from where I found a flintlock hammer. I posted this on ARH site and they have been most helpful in ID'ing alot of my stuff. Someone ID'd this button as a Scottish Thistle button, possibly dating around 1790-1800. Can anyone else elaborate any further as to the age of this button? Thanks for looking.
 

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Steve,

I have no idea about the "Scottish Thistle", nor its age. But, that sure looks to be a thistle.

Kim
 
Steve,

You may check with William Leigh at civilwarbuttons.com. He may be able to shed some light on it for you.

Kim
 
Tgsman: Backmark is hard to see, I looked at it for about 10 minutes till my eyes began to cross. I'm not sure but one of the words might be "GILT" I'm going to have to do some more cleaning to get a better veiw.

Kim: Thanks for the referral. I will give them an email and see if they can help shed some light on this button.
 
Kim,

William Leigh replied back to me and stated this button falls in the category of collectible civilian buttons called "Jacksoninan Buttons"--so called because they were popular and in use during Andrew Jackson's presidency in the 1830's.

Whooa! Andrew Jackson...Whooa! This is getting interesting!

Next question: What in the world was this button doing in my neck of the woods??? Hmmm.... so many questions and not enough answers. LOL!!! I love it!

Thanks for the referrel Kim.
 
Steve,

You're welcome. That is an interesting button, and becoming more so, huh? LOL

I don't remember how I found Leigh's website..... from another forum, perhaps. But, as with many relic dealer and other relic related sites and forums.... I save them as Icons on my desktop for quick and easy access.

Hope you're able to track down more info on the button.

Take care,

Kim
 
KC Steve,

I've been following this topic but had nothing to add until now. Andrew Jackson was very involved in the movement of Indians to your area. He had a significant part in the Cherokees being pushed out of Georgia.

The Cherokees were very much trying to be in the mainstream of society and often wore clothing that was more in line with the white settlers than the traditional Indian dress.

Maybe this button did some travelling on the coat of a refugee Indian ?

Food for thought.

Rodney
 
Rodney,

You mentioned Andrew Jackson and the Indians. You are right in your assessment of Andrew Jackson having a major involvement with the Indians being moved, but there was infact another individual who had a major impact on the Indians and there survival. The Indians learned to trust this individual for his dedication and devotion for the survival of the Indian nations. This person was appointed by none other than...President Andrew Jackson to become an Ambassador to the Indian Nations. His name was Lewis Cass. What an extrodinary life this man had and the impact he had on the Indians. Reason I mention this man's name is because I found on this same hill a medal with his name and face and a date of 1849 on the medal. It is a very rare medal but banged up pretty bad. It could be worth $1 or $100 I really don't give a hoot because to me, this piece is priceless and I'll never sell it. The historical tie that it has to this region is far more valuable to me than monetary gain. I researched a little information on this guys pedigree, quite impressive. Here is the medal I found and also a non dug version of what the medal is supposed to look like new. Hope you enjoy this brief History lesson.



Cass, Lewis Britannica Concise

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Lewis Cass
born Oct. 9, 1782, Exeter, N.H., U.S.
died June 17, 1866, Detroit, Mich.
U.S. politician.

He fought in the War of 1812 and served as governor of Michigan Territory (1813–31). As secretary of war (1831–36) under Pres. Andrew Jackson, he directed the conduct of the Black Hawk and Seminole wars. He served as U.S. minister to France (1836–42). In the U.S. Senate (1845–48, 1849–57), he supported westward expansion and the Compromise of 1850. He was the Democratic nominee in the presidential election of 1848, which he lost to Zachary Taylor. He later served as secretary of state (1857–60) but resigned when Pres. James Buchanan took no action to counter the secession of the Southern states.
 

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What a great hobby! how many folks know about this, Thats why I love it you never stop learning. Finds pique your interest and you are driven to find an answer which is more oftern than not very fascinating.

Great stuff -thanks for sharing

BD
 
BD,

I would imagine not very many people would know about these facts, heck, I didn't know about this guy until I found the medal and began to research on my own. Like you say, it drives you to find the answers and that is what I too love about this hobby!
Getting back to the medal, it's only an assumption but a very likely assumption. Since Lewis Cass was a trusted and honorable name among the Indians, it's very possible that he gave a few of his Political campaign medals to the Indian Chiefs or warriors as gifts. I learned that there was a massive meeting of all Indian tribes in the upper Northeast section of the United States (Michigan) where they tried to resolve boundary disputes among the Indians and white man. Lewis Cass was part of this delegation held in Michigan and I'm thinking at the time he possibly gave a few of his campaign medals to the Indian Chiefs before they returned to their homelands. I'm suspecting it was lost by a prominent figure among the Indian tribes of this area. If only I could trace back all the individuals who had this medal in their possession, WOW what a story it could tell!!!
I'm still putting all the pieces together with each artifact found and it is truely a History lesson all in itself.
 
Hey KC Steve,

Thanks for the additional info on Mr. Cass. I have a book on the Georgia Gold Lottery of 1832. This was the initial effort to settle north Georgia and push the Cherokees out. The book does mention in high regard Lewis Cass.

You are on the right track to tie the buttons and medals to the Indians. With the other Indian artifacts you have there is definitely a thread to provenance for these relics.

I could do this all day. I'm with you guys, the historical tie is as important as the relic itself.

Thanks !

Rodney
 
Found this tiny (12mm) button about 10ft. away from where I found a flintlock hammer. I posted this on ARH site and they have been most helpful in ID'ing alot of my stuff. Someone ID'd this button as a Scottish Thistle button, possibly dating around 1790-1800. Can anyone else elaborate any further as to the age of this button? Thanks for looking.

Steve, this is indeed a Jacksonian button. On page 214 of the Big Book of Buttons, you will find a picture of your button. There are 25 illustrations of these type buttons. Value is listed at $10.00, since the book was printed in 1981 you can adjust the price upward.
axit1
 
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