Octagonal U S buckle.

DANNY SPENCER

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This buckle was dug from the backyard of a home in Kalamazoo Michigan around 1992. The property is thought to be the site of a military fort at one time in history although no physical remains still exist. I am waiting to hear back from the University of Michigan historic department to see if they can tell me the forts name. The buckle is of a single piece sand cast brass construction. This buckle evidently was never used judging by the casting flash areas inside the belt loop perimeters and the absence of ware on the buckles face. The buckle measures around 3.0” across the flat sides and about 4.0” long including the belt loop. The belt loop is .250” in diameter and would accommodate a 1.75” wide strap. The average thickness of the cast brass is around .150” thick. The buckles face has a 2.083” circular border creating a .081” deep recessed background. The raised letter US are 1.30” high by .890” wide. The serif on the letter U overlaps the letter S at the top. The top serifs on both the letters U and S are beveled at the circular border. The letters are generally crowded in spacing. There are no stamped marking on this buckle. It is identified as a buckle either for a mule / horse headstall or hook up strap dating from the 1870’s Indian Wars period. An unusual specimen due to its size “3 X 4” instead of the typical “2 X 3” and that it is cast instead of the usual stamped sheet brass. It has been suggested that the size may have been an attempt to provide a secondary use as a waist belt if needed on the trail due to the common strap width?
 
Hi guys
This is one of those “probably never know” things but as far as it being a bridle buckle I believe it is way too large. Look at it in my 6’ 1” tall hand and compared to a typical sized waist belt plate. This buckle weighs 6 ¾ ounces, whatever its purpose they were surely made in left and right side pairs. An extra 13 ½ ounces seems a little too much weight for a bridle? I suspect that it would weigh as much or more than the bit?
 
Definetly not a bridle piece!!! I am not all that familiar with cavalry saddles but I wonder if it is a girth strap buckle! Girth strap being the part that ran under the horse to keep the saddle from sliding side to side. My only problem with that is that this piece only has one tine to hold the strap and buckle together. On a fast running horse it would be less likely to keep it's hold. Hmmmm...I hope that you find out the answer Danny as I am now very curious!
Travis
 
Could it be for the first ever saddle seat belt? :grin: I've read where several Officers lost a leg and continued on in the saddle!
Really it's a first for me and I haven't a clue unless of course it was late war or Indian war? Maybe a proto-type that wasn't issued?

Hoping You Find Out, HH, Roger
 
Octagon US Buckle

I just purchased an Octagonal shape US buckle at the Salvation Army in Battle Creek, MI. I would love to know if anyone has further info. My Buckle does have wear and is just like the one described.
 

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